Will there be a Windows 2K3?

[Majin_Dark]

Since Microsoft has already made Windows Server 2K3, do any of you know whether they'll make a Windows 2K3 for home users?

[Cactus_Jack]

Just wait for Longhorn to come, and, yes, there will not be a Win2k3 for home users, however I do think it will come.

[E. Junkie]

All I know is that the next Windows will not be called Windows at all, it will be called Longhorn, like Jack Mentioned, and I am not sure when they are going to release it.

[Majin_Dark]

Longhorn is the next Windows? I thought it was XP's code name. But that's just me.

[wastaz]

No.

The codename for XP was some strange city name that I cant remember.

Longhorn however is just another codename, so the chance that the next windows version will actually be named Longhorn seens quite low.

[Cactus_Jack]

Longhorn (Home, they say that there also will be a server version) will be released somewhere in or after the year 2006, the reason is cause Win2K3 needs to be accepted in the market, so there is needed some time space between them.

[{oroka}]

1: Longhorn is the codename for the next windows
2: Windows XP's codename was Whistler
3: There will not be a home version of 2k3
4: There will not be a server version of Longhorn
5: The next server class windows is codenamed blackcomb

In British Columbia Canada, there is a ski resort called 'Whistler'. there are 2 moutains at this resort, 'Whistler' and 'Blackcomb'. At the base of these moutains there is a bar/resturant called 'Longhorn'. The people at the Washington division of Microsoft ski alot and thier favourite place to go is Whistler.

Just a note, windows 98 was codenamed Memphis.

Server 2k3 is pretty much a server based on XP. It is a good OS, and works very well as a web or FTP server. I know, I have used it for both purposes.

Longhorn will be fairly simular to XP with a few cosmetic changes (new sidebar replaces quick-launch) and a new database type FAT system. THe new FAT system is supposed to be based on NTSF, but easier to search for files (ie better access rates). You can download the alpha version of longhorn on the ed2k network and install it if you want. It is a bit slow, but will mature into a good OS over the next year and a half.

Longhorn is not expected out untill around late 2004 - mid 2005
Blackcomb is not expected out untill nearly 2008

Search google for microsoft Longhorn

[Deadzero Custom]

Yeah there will be a Windows 2K3 home version, and knowing microsoft, it'll be another Windows 95 bug fix that'll cost 100$.

Gyahaha, I am sorry, I know that they have improved after that awful peice of crap '98, but its more fun to not let that go.

[Kayvon]

Yeah there will be a Windows 2K3 home version, and knowing microsoft, it'll be another Windows 95 bug fix that'll cost 100$.
No, there won't be. Longhorn, or whatever it will eventually be called, is the next consumer-grade version of Windows. Period. And whatever it costs you can bet I'll be picking it up within the first few days of its release.

[{oroka}]

I'll be ****ed if I ever give M$ a penny. As much as I like Windows, it is way over priced, and as the only really pratical OS (in terms of compatibility and commonality) they got everyone by the short hairs.

Free M$ for everyone!!!

[Majin_Dark]

Oroka, would you think it'd be a good idea to use Longhorn right now even though it's only in the Alpha stage of development?

[nicotine]

my friend has longhorn he complains cuz its quite slow as it is in the early stages of dev and the code hasn't been cleaned up. and its basically a colored version of windows xp

[Sooda]

*sigh* I'll be in my room awaiting Blackcomb or whatever..

[{oroka}]

its quite slow as it is in the early stages of dev and the code hasn't been cleaned up. and its basically a colored version of windows xp

Same thing I said in my long winded post.

If you are doing a windows re-install and have a hour or so on your hands, then sure, download it and see what it is like for yourself. It is slow, and alot of the really big new features havent been added, but it is worth a look. I have tried the M4 and M5 releases, I have to say, I like the M4 better. M4 has a few neat little do-jiggys like a clock in the loginUI, and a 'My Hardware' window.

I have a few screen shots of M4, maybe I will upload them and show you all, but that wont be till later, if I do it at all....

Sooda: why are you waiting for a server class OS that is not out till around 2008?

[Sooda]

Because Longhorn doesn't sound too good...

[Majin_Dark]

Not YET, but Longhorn will probably be pretty good when it's completed.

[{oroka}]

Because Longhorn doesn't sound too good...

Sooda:

Well, that is kinda like looking at a cake that hasnt been mixed and saying it dosend look very good :?

Longhorn is not due out for atleast another year. they only release these versions of Longhorn to get feedback from thier beta testers on what they like, dont like and such.

Longhorn is not ment for the average PC user to be using for everyday tasks. There will be ALOT of changes before it is finally released commercially.

When Longhorn is finally released, it will be more like the diffrence between 95 and 98 than 98 vs XP. A few new modifications, but generally the same. XP works very well, there is no point in scrapping it and starting fresh.

[qwwerty]

i hope not, i want my XP proffesional to be the best :D:D

i used to have windows 95, so i know how it feels to be behind :(

[Majin_Dark]

Well, IMO, XP is nowhere near the best.

[Dtp1987]

Here you go kiddies, some screens and pics of longhorn. (56ker's be warned)
Btw, heres a site to visit to get the info on longhorn- http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_preview_2003.asp

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh-winhec-03.png

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/aero-01.png

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/aero-02.png

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh-winhec-05.png

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_winhec_04.png

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_winhec_05.png

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_winhec_06.png

XD

[{oroka}]

what milestone is that from? I have tried M4 and M5 and those screen shots dont look familure.

[wastaz]

Yuck :P

Screenshots like that make me lose all respect I could pretend to have on MS.
Seriously, what people need isnt flashy guides and rounded corners, its stability, security and an effective UI.

On stability, they're getting better. But on security, the principle on which the OS is based in the first hand kind of cuts short any good ways of making it really secure. An effective UI, that's something that can be interpreted very differently from person to person. The only way to make a really effective UI is to let people have a choice of several VM's and let them use the one that suits their expertise and needs best.

Windows is getting too flashy. No soup for you Bill.

[Failed Expectations]

They are coming up with very stupid names. If I wanted a longhorn desktop like that, I would just simply go to xp themes org and set my desktop like that. Otherwise the GUI itself really looks pathetic. They should've simply came out with a plan to release a Windows 2005 version. They seem to not be on the ball. I probley just force myself to learn linux and switch to that operating system instead.

[petey-san]

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_winhec_04.png

o-o
gawd, look at the CPU spike
now whenever someone is testing something, they alwas run it on a high end machine, so for this to work along with all the crap like nortan that people install......hehe, no system will be able to handle it
you better hope these new cpus coming out are bloody fast otherwise this version is going to fail just like the rest of them ^^
(then there is also the fact that this is just a alpha and the code is mostlikey full of crap and running very ineffectively, so it may get alittle faster when they tidy it up

[Kayvon]

o-o
gawd, look at the CPU spike
now whenever someone is testing something, they alwas run it on a high end machine, so for this to work along with all the crap like nortan that people install......hehe, no system will be able to handle it
. . . (then there is also the fact that this is just a alpha and the code is mostlikey full of crap and running very ineffectively, so it may get alittle faster when they tidy it up
I'd say it's a safe bet that the cpu spike was indeed due to an early version of the software, however there have been other OS's that have come out with poor performance and still were a success. Look at OS X: it ran slower than molasses in Antarctica on anything less than a dual G3 machine in the release version and still sold very well.



you better hope these new cpus coming out are bloody fast otherwise this version is going to fail just like the rest of them ^^
The rest of what? Windows XP is the most successful version of Windows yet, so I don't think Longhorn will dissapoint, especially with another 2 years of development time. Unless you meant it will fail like the rest of the Longhorn builds.

[{oroka}]

Yuck :P

Screenshots like that make me lose all respect I could pretend to have on MS.
Seriously, what people need isnt flashy guides and rounded corners, its stability, security and an effective UI.

On stability, they're getting better. But on security, the principle on which the OS is based in the first hand kind of cuts short any good ways of making it really secure. An effective UI, that's something that can be interpreted very differently from person to person. The only way to make a really effective UI is to let people have a choice of several VM's and let them use the one that suits their expertise and needs best.

Windows is getting too flashy. No soup for you Bill.

And what planet do you live on? Sure, they dont need all those nice rounded corners and such, but in that case, I dont need a house, a car, a computer, I dont need anime, and I dont need my computer. All i NEED is a nice cave and 2 sticks to make fire.

And you linux dinks keep raving over security... 99.999999% of windows users dont NEED that much security. Someone wants to hack my system and look at my family photos, far be from me to care.

And it is not like linux dont have security issues, but if you have hundreds of millions of people using a program, freakish errors and holes will be discovered that would never have been found if Windows had the user numbers of Linux. the nice thing about windows is that there is a dedicated staff there to fix these illusive holes, not a bunch of volunteers who will fix it if they feel like it.

Hackers and virus writers spend most of thier time on Windows, so they really dont bother trying to find holes in Linux. Windows and Linux were created by flawed people. there will never be a perfectly secure OS cause someone will always find a way to work around security measures.

Windows is the world standard for a reason. Adding good looks to a OS dont change the fact that it is a good OS. XP is excellent and Longhorn will be better and more secure.

Look at that M$blaster worm that caused so much trouble. If people had keep thier Windows up-to date, they wouldnt have had a problem. But these people didnt do somthing that basic. you honestly think these same people could use linux at the stage it is now?

No ****ing way in this reality.

They would have to dumb-up linux for simpler usage, add pretty rounded corners to give those dumb users somthing to look at, and have a dedicated support staff to help these dumb users in how to do all these tasks that linux makes soooooo hard to do. By the time you gather enough programmers on-to this project, Microsoft has already released the next generation of Windows which is more secure, easier to use, more visually attractive and the Linux that all those programmers were planning on doing is already one generation behind. I dont want that even if it is free. Garbage is still garbage wether it is free or not.

Linux is not for new or average users. It is for tech savy users and servers. I have used linux and Win2k3 for servers. Do you have any idea how much easier it was to set up the server on 2k3? 1 min after initial OS install. My internet was already working, 2k3 had checked for updates, and it was faster installing than Linux.

Sure, Windows was not as good as Linux back in the 90s', but now, it is just as good, if not better. The security diffrence is sheer numbers of users.

[Exidy]

you better hope these new cpus coming out are bloody fast otherwise this version is going to fail just like the rest of them
If by "fail" you mean "run on over 90 percent of desktops," then you're absolutely right.

[{oroka}]

Why dont you people understand? Yes Longhorn is slow, but it is still under development! When it is released commerically, it will have its codes cleaned up and will run faster than XP. They still havent added the new FAT partition system yet, and that is going to really speed things up, alot.

You got to love Linux people, they will take every chance to put Windows and M$ down, even if it is a stupid reason like this. It is like looking at a toddler and saying they will never amount to anything because he cant do long division at the moment... stupid.

[Exidy]

They still havent added the new FAT partition system yet, and that is going to really speed things up, alot.
Actually, Longhorn's file system is going to be WinFS (Windows Future Storage). It will be the first time that relational database (http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/6.1/htmldocs/db_basi3.htm) technology has been introduced into the file system for a consumer OS. By no means are FAT/FAT32 going to be the actual file systems, by which I mean that the drive on which you install Longhorn will have to use WinFS. It'll support FAT/FAT32 in the sense that it'll be able to read and write from drives that have been formatted as such (and FAT/FAT32 would never, ever mean a speed improvement--check up on the nature of data clustering for the reason why).

You got to love Linux people, they will take every chance to put Windows and M$ down,
99% of Linux advocates/zealots/bigots that I've had the misfortune to encounter are quick--no, not quick, instant--to dismiss any new Microsoft product, no matter what the product is actually capable of, or how financially successful it has been (case in point a few posts back; Windows XP is the best-selling version of Windows so far, and Windows has maintained a 90+ percent desktop market share for years, yet somehow, they've all "failed"). Lots of the time it's because they haven't done even the most superficial homework to find out what's actually in the product. The outright misinformation that gets tossed around so frequently and without check on sites like Slashdot never ceases to amaze me--technical statements about Windows that are quite simply incorrect (I saw one the other day where someone claimed that XP's kernel was identical to 2000's), full of complete FUD, or both. Most of these people are just simply lazy; others, blinded by their absolute religious fever towards the crystal-pure holy grail of software that is supposedly Linux, don't want to know the exact capabilities of Windows XP, Office XP, the Xbox, or any other Microsoft product that has been selling like hotcakes and has the market dominance to prove it. Because what if--just what if--they happen to be decent offerings that are fully justified in their position and may even be the most advanced offerings on the market right now? Isn't it even conceivable that the largest software company in the entire world, with its incredible financial holdings and its talented staff (the selection process involved is amazing), might be capable of such a feat? Oh, no. They're Micro$uck, they can't do anything right, open-source is where it's all at, now and forever. Shyeah.

[{oroka}]

Actually, Longhorn's file system is going to be WinFS (Windows Future Storage).

That was the name, I knew it at one time but forgot.

You really summed up the whole 'linux jukie' on M$ thing...

Kudos to you :D

[nicotine]

wow those are sexy pics, and thats a sexy moniter too

[{oroka}]

just a update on Longhorn...


Gates has promised that Longhorn, which is expected to launch in 2005 or 2006...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/19/microsoft.google.reut/index.html

2005-2006! Damn it! I dont want to wait that long!

[Majin_Dark]

What's this I hear about Longhorn REQUIRING a minimum of 64 MB video memory? Little bit HIGH for a minimum requirement, isn't it?

[Wake of Poseidon]

well eventually it will get hard to improve if you only have nitty grit systems to run it on. the computers today are getting more and more powerful for a reason.

btw thanks for your opinion on linux, both oss have their ups and downs.