Overclocking a stock processor

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To avoid confusion Edward will speak normally.

I have a fairly old Hewlert-Packard with an 800Mhz Pentium3 Processor that I want to upgrade and replace WinME (yuk) with Linux. (I won't be a slave to you anymore, Microsoft) I just got more memory but it turns out it only works if the processor speed is 1Ghz or more. Can anyone help me squeeze out 200 or more Mhz and tell me if I need a more powerful cooling system and how powerful.

If you have problems of overclocking processors, don't be shy about it.

[Mercutio]

Well I would seriously consider getting a new processor instead, I mean you can get a real cheap one running at 1ghz. However if you still really want to over-clock that, take a look here.

http://www.hardwaves.com/display/2001124/200112493745_3.html

[Malfy]

Well, I'm assuming you have a stock Pentium HeatSink, so do as Merc said and just upgrade your processor altogether. If you don't have much money, I'd suggest an AMD Barton 2400+ or 2500+. They're both good for overclocking if you have good heatsinks. Search on http://www.newegg.com for these.

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Turns out my current BIOS can't allow overclocking and I can't change to the motherboard manufacturer's BIOS. Also, there are no manual jumper settings. So unless anyone can help me with this problem, I'm going to get a new processor. However, I don't know what to exactly look for when looking for a new processor. Here are the specs for the processor and everything else.
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?product=58068&lang=en&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&docname=bph06041

Can anyone tell me what's important to keep in mind when buying a new processor or suggest one for me? I need a Pentium III or something equivilant or better with a speed of 1 Ghz or more.

[Malfy]

You might want to get something much higher than 1 ghz so you don't have to upgrade next month. :lol: Maybe a P4 Prescott 2 ghz or higher. And you say your mobo doesn't allow you to edit your bios, hmmm? Well, if you don't plan on overclocking, there's no problem, but if you do want to later on, you might need a new mobo.

[Keainanhai]

You'll probably need a new mobo and proc. Depends how much money you're willing to spend...

[Manga_Master]

If you want to overclock i suggest you get an AMD XP2400+ or higher and a DFI motherboard (best overclocking motherboard i have ever seen) but DFI motherboards don't come cheap

[Malfy]

Oh, also, if you ever do overclock any part of your system, by doing that you almost always void the product's warranty, so if it breaks (read explodes), you might not be able to get it repaired or return it for a new one.

[Keainanhai]

Oh, also, if you ever do overclock any part of your system, by doing that you almost always void the product's warranty, so if it breaks (read explodes), you might not be able to get it repaired or return it for a new one.

Correct, so be careful when doing it.

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This is the first time I am looking at buying a processor and I don't know what to look for so that it fits and works on my current motherboard. So can someone tell me what to look for? My last post has a link to the specs of my computer including the processor.

[Keainanhai]

Depends on what type of socket you have...also you might not get much of a speed increase since you can only use the socket your mobo supports!

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What about bus speed, process (how many microns), and voltage. Are they important?

[Lost]

Well, voltage is important, you need something that can handle it, enough watts. I had a 300, I had to upgrade to 500 cos it blew it out. You will need to probably get a new mobo, I have ABIT, and it works perfectly. And for a new processor, its sort of preference, I mean, Intel does have hyperthreading, so... But, for a new mobo its about 70 bucks or so, around anywhere from 100-800$ for a new processor. Again, if you're willing to spend some money, suggest fixing your comp totally. That would be good, you'd probably spend around 600 for a computer over 1000. But. If you just want a new processor... well. Here is the best ones.

AMD: Slower clock speeds than Intel, it does have some better performance then Intel, and I do have an AMD, and I do think it is better. If you want the best processor, go out and spend about 800 bucks on the Athlon 64 FX-53 CPU. If thats not your thing... well here. AMD 64 3000+ CPU priced at around 230$, depending on sale prices and where you buy. Still too expensive? Try Intel.

INTEL: As I said, AMD is the most powerful CPU out to this date, with the FX-53. Best Intel one right now, Intel P4 2.6C-MHz, priced at 150.

MOTHERBOARD: Ok, so if you're gonna get something new, get a new mobo as well as the processor. If you're going with the AMD, buy the AOpen AK89 Max, priced at 115. If you're going with the Intel, get the Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000-G mobo, priced at 95. Has a fanless heatsink that cools the processor.

Well thats about it, there are others that you can scrounge around, but these are probably the best ones that I found at all. I am looking to upgrade my processor as well, so... if you want, you will spend a bunch of money if you want a computer thats well worth it.

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What about the core? I think mines a coppermine. Does that have to do with anything?

[Lost]

Uh, I think if you buy a new Mobo, its not gonna have any effect. Besides, some CPU's need a new motherboard to run anyway. So I highly suggest upgrading both. As for that... I dont think it has any effect, none that Im sure of anyway.

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Basicly, if your not looking on doing a ton of upgrading find out what socket the motherboard supports and find the best processor for that socket and replace the old one. I suspect that if you want to do much more upgrading then the processor and ram your going to have to basicly build a whole new computer, but I would need to know a lot more specs on your system. Things like what powersupply (total wattage and individual rails amperage). Is the case a standard ATX case or is it something only that particular hp mobo will fit in.

If your interested in building a new computer, state a budget and I could make a list of parts for you to look into.

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Here the link to the basic specs of my computer.
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?product=58068&lang=en&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&docname=bph06041

As for budget, $200 would be best but I could go for $500 if neccessary.

Actually, my cousin has a whole bunch of decommisioned computers at his house. Maybe I could find some stuff worth salvaging such as the motherboard and maybe video cards. Though if I replace the motherboard, do I have to do any software setup or anything like that?

[Fuujin]

While OC (over clocking) with that old baby is slightly possible your main limiting factor of the OC is going to be your motherboard. Because your computer is a HP (a brand name) they are harder to OC because normally they come with custom bios that lock many of the features you need (FSB and Multi control, voltage control..etc). If those options are avaible then you might be able to OC. If they are locked then not much you can do.

Over clocking also takes a bit of time just messing with the settings.

If your going to buy a new system, then that is another topic.

[Lost]

Wow... this is going to be a little hard. Hm, you say you want to spend 200-500, I mean like me and Ayashi said, you're gonna need a whole new computer... Hrm. Would you mind going up to maybe 600? If thats still pretty high, I could see what I could scrounge around...

[Keainanhai]

www.newegg.com use it.

[Immortal_Enigma]

Barton 2500 oc it high.
A7N8X-DX mobo good for ocing IMHO.
For a processor don't go with Intel, it's a waste of money. Get a nice cheap AMD that has similar performance for half the price :D.
Over all with your current set-up, it would be best to buy a new computer. I built my firend a computer for $600 that can run Doom 3 quite well, so it is possible to get a nice computer for cheap. (bargain shop)
Newegg.com, zipzoomfly.com, svc.com... :D Good luck

[Fuujin]

Not sure if you want to go with the XP 2500, all of the new desktop XP's are locked. If you want to OC, I have a XP2400+ Mobile and it works well for it. I have gotten up to 2.5ghz with it. It is preatty cheap as well, like $80.

[razorlines]

Not sure if you want to go with the XP 2500, all of the new desktop XP's are locked. If you want to OC, I have a XP2400+ Mobile and it works well for it. I have gotten up to 2.5ghz with it. It is preatty cheap as well, like $80.

Yes, mobiles are good for overclocking, but be aware, your motherboard needs to support volatages that low :wink:

[Fuujin]

nah, not really a problem, like my mobo, the AN7 only goes down to like 1.45V. When you over clock at all you increase the voltage for stability. Therefore increasing the heat of the chip which is another issue with overclocking. But you don't have to run at stock voltages.

My XP2400-M has a stock voltage of 1.35V. That is just saying that it can run at stock speeds (1.8ghz) and that voltage. When I run it at like 2.4 or 2.5 ghz, my voltage is around 1.8 V.

You don't have to worry about a motherboard for low voltages, you just want to make sure your chip set is a good overclocker and that your motherboard is an ok overclocker. The best way to find that stuff out is to go to forums and see what people say about the motherborad, its problems and it's benifits.

[razorlines]

nah, not really a problem, like my mobo, the AN7 only goes down to like 1.45V. When you over clock at all you increase the voltage for stability. Therefore increasing the heat of the chip which is another issue with overclocking. But you don't have to run at stock voltages.

My XP2400-M has a stock voltage of 1.35V. That is just saying that it can run at stock speeds (1.8ghz) and that voltage. When I run it at like 2.4 or 2.5 ghz, my voltage is around 1.8 V.

You don't have to worry about a motherboard for low voltages, you just want to make sure your chip set is a good overclocker and that your motherboard is an ok overclocker. The best way to find that stuff out is to go to forums and see what people say about the motherborad, its problems and it's benifits.

The NF7-S2G wont even boot up into the bios with an XPM chip, so you cany even overclock it let alone change voltage settings, although most motherboards dont have that problem.

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Here this should be a few orders of magnitude better then your old comp:

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-156-002&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-541&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-455&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-906&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-418&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-122-183&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE

Total cost 498 USD

You'll need to take your optical drive, floppy, modem, keyboard etc out of your old computer and put it into the new one. You'll also have to put the pieces together yourself, but it's a little easier then doing a jigsaw puzzle so don't worry(theres plenty of guides on the internet to doudle check your making the right steps too).

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Well, I finally found a good motherboard from my cousin. Here it is:

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-135-160&depa=0

Can anyone tell a good processor and cheap processor that I can use? I have to get the motherboard working so I can install a 64mb graphics card and get the $30 rebate for it.