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Chicaиαry

Peer Pressure vs Individuality

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Awesome times in chatbox the other night. It's been found that I don't believe in peer pressure.

Chicanary: I don't believe in peer pressure
KT Samurai: How can you not believe in peer pressure.
Chicanary: I've never been in a situation where I had to make a choice and couldn't think for myself.
KT Samurai: ignorance is bliss.
Chicanary: is everyone who disagrees with you ignorant or just me.
KT Samurai: you're a special person.

Put it that way I guess KT was right on both accounts. I've never experienced peer pressure on any level save from what Elders of my then religious sect who promoted regarding our Faith's morals. (Not sure if that counts as "peer pressure.") If I've never experienced peer pressure, ignorance is bliss. I've always been free to do what I want based on my ability to think, as opposed to simply acting on what someone else said/did.

So I did some reading on peer pressure. Much of it surrounded teenagers and focused on negative peer pressure as opposed to positive peer pressure. Here's my understanding of it (the negative and the positive). If you believe in it, then the times it has led to less than stellar events (negative peer pressure), people chalk it up to someone not knowing any better OR not knowing negative outcomes were possible. The most common examples of negative peer pressure refer to sex, drugs, and academia.


"Mom I'm pregnant."
"What the ****? HOW? WHEN?"
"I don't know."
You had sex"
"But Janie had sex and this didn't happen to her."


I come from a single parent family. I was 9 when Mom gave me an in depth sex talk with pictures of what STDs looked like. She didn't pressure me to not hve sex. She gave me one very good reason to not have sex, the second being a video on pregnancy and child birth. I was 9 so I wasn't sexually active anyway. But when I had the urge for sex and later acted on it, I made sure to take every precaution to prevent STDs and pregnancy. My allowance was about 20USD/week, unit price of condoms was less than 2USD, and the cost of being pregnant was more money than I ever had to my name at that time.

Janie could talk about how amazing sex was all she wanted. I already made my decision. So forgive me if I think someone can honestly say "I was pressured into sex" and possibly unsafe sex. That's the equivalent to saying I know everything about xyz because I did a google search and wikipedia said this.

On another side of that cube, it's possible someone can feel pressured into sex by their partner. If you think you're ready for sex then go for it if that's what you want. But does that mean you should have unprotected sex because a) condoms are uncomfortable, b) you think you know your boyfriend is faithful 3) you don't think it'll happen to you? If you have access to the internet, you should also have access to condom manufacturer's websites regarding the kinds of condoms available and consumer reviews regarding comfort/technical issues (like break rate). And quite frankly if a guy can't make sex feel good with a condom odds are he's not that very good at all. (personal opinion.) As for blindly trusting your partner... people are imperfect and do lie. Get tested and especially if you're sleeping around make sure you definitely wear a condom because STIs are just as bad as STDs. As for not thinking it could happen to you... that's called egocentricity. The belief that you are special and certain rules don't apply to you.

Looking at peer pressure regarding drugs it seems to be more involved. It's possible to see someone using drug related items and act on visual cues. "Janie is so cool and she smokes." If Janie looked cool jumping off a bridge would you do that too? And I can see that sometimes the effects of drug usage are not as immediate as breaking every bone in your body and dying from falling from a bridge. But there is a reason why if you are underaged (and not legally able to make certain decisions for yourself) you can't purchase those products without ID or at a licensed to sell establishment. regarding items that not sold at stores like marijuana, ecstasy, and other illegal substances... what the **** are we seven? If you buy something and find the seal is broken or otherwise tampered with do you still put it in your mouth? No. You get a refund. Similarly pills/other drug paraphernalia. I don't understand why anyone would consume something from what looks like a prescription if it wasn't intended for them.

"But Janie snorted the white stuff and she's thin and looks healthy." I'm annoyed by advertising in the US. For the longest I felt too much of fashion centered around what the ideal American woman should look like. White, straight haired, skinny, and curveless. I have no idea who the target audience is for media where this stereotype is prevalent but a bulk of it is made of those who're either uncomfortable in their skin or dissatisfied with some aspect of their life. There is absolutely no reason why anyone reading Cosmo (usually women) should believe another woman (with a fairytale-esque profession) on the 125 things to do please your man. At most that list is 15 items long. And there's really no reason why anyone should believe that only a particular fashion/style will make them feel pretty. As often as fashion changes, and how often you'd' need to change your wardrobe to keep up, if you still feel ugly, it's time for a reality check. At most, acne cream/anti aging cream, maybe some scented body lotion, a balanced diet, the odd accessory here or there, and lip gloss is all you need.

Then there was peer pressure on things like cutting school, cheating in school, and/or dropping out completely. That's not peer pressure. That's somenone with a negligent parent. I cut school plenty of times. I wasn't pressured to do it. Some mornings I woke up and I just didn't feel like going. I chose to forge my mom's signature on a note and stay home or do whatever else tickled my fancy (usually go to the arcade). But I was responsible about it. I never cut on a test day or when a major assignment was due cause that just looks suspicious. Mom never found out, I didn't die, all was well. Cheating is a separate issue because if you get caught normally a parent is notified. At the college level, any form of academic dishonesty is sometimes punished harsher than rape which in some cases, the culprit is only required to avoid the victim while he continues his education. Get caught cheating and it's grounds for an automatic expulsion that follows you for the rest of your life. Completely dropping out of school... if you drop out of high school/elementary you're pretty much ****ed and child protective services will be all up your ass and your parent's. Drop out of college/uni and you're wallet is ****ed. "But Janie didn't go to school and she does fine." Unless Janie dropped out to be a financially well off guy's sugar baby and has a friend of equal financial standing willing to give you the same deal Janie has, I do not see how this is ever a good idea. Again, lack of information pertaining to Janie's situation. I know plenty of people who dropped out of elementary/high school. Normally it's because they became a parent, had to take care of a very ill family member, or needed the extra income because they already became a parent and needed more money. I suppose Janie would look skinny.


I talked to ThisGuy earlier today in chat. Apparently steroid usage among high school athletes is not a good example of peer pressure because "it isn't treated as such" or because it is the only option necessary to maintain equal footing in sports if you know others are using. I don't believe in peer pressure so I don't particularly care... but I find it interesting that even among those who do believe in peer pressure, there are times where it isn't a valid excuse. So that begs the question: as a believer in peer pressure, when the hell is it a good idea to use peer pressure as a valid excuse for something you did?


And on that note, most examples of positive peer pressure were centered around doing things that are positive for yourself (go figure). Like not using drugs despite advertisements because your friend told you it was bad for you. (Currently tobacco products are no longer endorsed by doctors and come with a Surgeon General's warning so despite advertisements you know it's a hazard.) Again, I've never been in the position of making important decisions on the say so of one person.

So yeah. I don't believe in peer pressure. I believe in individuality and making decisions based on sound info. I never believed in doing something so I could be like someone else. I also never felt so infatuated with someone to the point I had to change myself to be liked/accepted.


/end rant.

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  1. NuttsnBolts's Avatar
    Holy crap. Im going have to sit down and read this when I get home, but yes peer pressure is real. That's how I started smoking and it's because you give in at a point in your life where you want to fit in.
  2. Ta-Ka's Avatar
    Sorry Chica, I gave up after the first paragraph.
  3. Chicaиαry's Avatar
    i went full on rant
  4. ThisGuy's Avatar
    Peer pressure is a very real thing, and you may understand it better by characterizing it as "social pressure" rather than the highly specific portrayal of teen peer pressure.

    When cops cover each others' ass when one of them does something wrong, there is enormous social pressure for them to do so. When soldiers cover each others' ass when **** goes down and ROE gets violated, that's social pressure. When your idol participates in a given behavior, that can exert social pressure on you. When the media runs nothing but immaculate images of females, that exerts a social pressure. Wearing certain styles of clothes, or being of certain religious backgrounds can assert social pressures on the people you interact with. The government asserts immense social pressures in how they tax the populace.

    My point earlier today is that you were trying to through everything in the same "peer pressure" bucket, without considering motivation. There is a completely different psychology involved in being pressured into doing recreational drugs than being pressured to take steroids, even though they are both forms of social pressure. Cheating in academics, and taking steroids are largely perpetuated by enormous social pressures. If you cannot remain competitive in these fields it may mean the end to your livelihood, to your standard of living, to your social status, it's why people take such enormous risk even though everyone knows it's "wrong." You asked about whether I would have done steroids in high school, and that is a completely different scenario than someone else in the same situation as I don't share the same investment in my athletic performance.

    To come back around to the commonly perpetuated "peer pressure" as introduced to teens: Many young individuals hold a significant investment in how they are seen by others, imitating certain social behaviors (such as drinking, recreational drug use, dressing a certain way, talking a certain way, participating in a given activity, etc.) means an elevation in social status. That being said, social pressure doesn't affect every one the same way.

    The original set up in the psychology magazine was absolutely stupid, and I can see that from the way it was framed how you could draw your conclusion. There is some complex psychology at work here, and it's absolutely ridiculous to deny that this type of social pressure exists.
  5. Chicaиαry's Avatar
    I think I focused on "teen peer pressure" because that's pretty much what came up the other nite in chatbox. So I guess I'm looking at instances where an individual person could be influenced by someone in their family or part of their environment. I'm making that distinction because your examples with cops and military personnel have all the requirements for a riot. Under no circumstance does any government official/law enforcer of any government let the general public know that the people who are charged with their safety ****ed up. Even if the police officer/military personnel was correct... get it swept under the rug as quick as possible, while showing the face of someone as a hero for as long as possible. It's called damage control.

    I can agree though that there's a vast amount of psychology and possibly sociology that factors into how much influence any person/group/media could have on a person. But ultimately I maintain my stance that people (few exemptions) are ever in a predicament where they must act solely based on pressures (whatever they may be) around them. I live in the USA. I have access to education, food, water, and things not afforded billions of people around the globe. There will probably never come a point in my life where I won't have the resources to make an informed decision and so have to blindly act on what amounts to a recommendation from a peer.

    I hope that makes sense.
  6. ThisGuy's Avatar
    Of course people rarely act based on one sole factor(barring survival), you're setting up dumb, unrealistic scenarios again in order to be "correct" rather than actually explore the concept of social pressure...
  7. KT Shogun's Avatar
    This isn't a case of belief. Peer pressure is real, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

    Your tendency to rationalize your way out of reality is pretty annoying.
  8. Chicaиαry's Avatar
    @TG, where were you the other nite? I made this post based on a conversation I had in chatbox with our peers.

    @KT. you didn't have to respond. Some people believe in god. Some people believe in peer pressure. Belief, opinion, whatever... call it what you want, I don't believe in it.
  9. MeLuvUlongTim's Avatar
    I was totally and utterly planning on reading your whole thing but just got through some of the paragraphs. Anyhow, I'm just going to say now; peer pressure isn't real, it doesn't exist. It's a word used for people who are too ****ing stupid to make their own decisions and end up following other people doing stupid stuff. It is a word used when someone is incapable of accepting their utter ****ing moronism.
  10. Struggler's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chicanary
    @KT. you didn't have to respond. Some people believe in god. Some people believe in peer pressure. Belief, opinion, whatever... call it what you want, I don't believe in it.
    There's no options here. There is nothing to not believe in. It's something that has been studied extensively, and exists absolutely. Your continued refusal to accept it is mind-bogglingly ignorant.
  11. Chicaиαry's Avatar
    @ Protoss: lol
    @Struggz:
    We know from psychology that by age 25 (for either gender), the frontal lobe is fully developed. With neurology we know that drug usage can impair or diminish development or full functionality of various parts of the brain including the frontal lobe.
    We know from psychology that at various stages of development, particularly during teenage years (when people are coming into the person they will be for the rest of their lives), they can be influenced by any number of things, media predominantly over the past 30-ish years.
    Few exception and extreme circumstances aside, there is nothing to indicate that a person is incapable of asking to do something before they do it, which is essentially what is happening in the case of "peer pressure."

    Or let me ask you this, when was the last time you acted on the influence of a peer? (it can be good or bad)